This week, we check in to see if Sylvia has gotten the online push she needed to tune in to 'Crooklyn.' Plus, Scottie shares her latest Netflix binge, Maid, while Sylvia talks Insecure Fest and the final season of the series. Then, we head to Soho House West Hollywood to chat with the one and only, Jazmine Sullivan. We talk about the makings of her latest project, Heaux Tales, as well as her thoughts on crafting the perfect breakup song.
OKAY, NOW WE LIVE (with Jazmine Sullivan)
Scottie Beam You're listening to, OK, now, listen, a biweekly show where we chat about what's on our minds, what we're bingeing and what's blowing up our timelines. I'm Scotty Beam, media personality, content creator, music enthusiast, and a wing commissar.
Sylvia O'Bell And I'm Sylvia O’Bell, culture writer, host, producer and lover of Beyonce
Scottie Beam And?
Sylvia O’Bell and I'm also, I’m here. I want you all to listen up. But you know, if you're driving, pay attention to the role. Everybody else listen.
Scottie Beam Pull over.
Sylvia O’Bell Turn the volume up.
Scottie Beam Make this a moment
Sylvia O’Bell because I thought this was a safe space. Guys, I thought that we had grown together this past year and a half, almost two years now. You know, I've been pouring out my vulnerability to y’all my heart, my whatever. And I, you know, I reveal one flaw.
Scottie Beam Mm hmm, mm hmm, mm hmm.
Sylvia O’Bell one cultural moment that I missed. And your lit me up on Twitter about not seeing Crooklyn. I said I was ashamed of it. I said, I'm sorry. Well, I got to do well. I got it. Why? Why would you, I thought that y’all loved me. I just,
Scottie Beam They were doing it out of love. Sylvia, they wanted to bully you into watching Brooklyn because this is a tribe. We, we have to literally sit you down and talk you through why it makes sense to watch such a great film.
Sylvia O'Bell And here's the thing: I, I know it's me. It's not Crooklyn. It's me.
Scottie Beam It is you.
Sylvia O’Bell I know that, like, I'm not like, Oh, I didn't watch it because I didn’t think it was a good movie. It's not all. If anything I didn't watch it because once I heard it was sad, I didn't want to be sad.
Scottie Beam Mm hmm.
Sylvia O’Bell But I got to just put my big girl pants on and deal.
Scottie Beam And I’m about to ask you. So now it's been, what, two weeks since that? Yeah, it's been two weeks. It's been two weeks, and have you watched Crooklyn yet?
Sylvia O’Bell Wow, it be your own best friend.
Scottie Beam And that's why niggas is bullying you!
Sylvia O'Bell I've been busy!
Scottie Beam Oh my gosh.
Sylvia O’Bell I've been busy, Scotty. I've been busy
Scottie Beam We know.
Sylvia O’Bell You know, I've been on the road.
Scottie Beam We know.
Sylvia O'Bell I've been on road, I’ve been off road. We been working. You know, we've, I just been, it's going to happen. I swear y’all. I swear it's going to happen and y'all better not come for me again this week as we just started off by saying, This is a safe space. Grow with me too! Love me too!
Scottie Beam Don't you worry, guys. I've decided, that’s why I just flew out here to L.A. I needed to come and make sure she watch Crooklyn.
Sylvia O'Bell Just picture Scottie putting me in a chair and holding my head forward with her hands on my face and pressing play on Crooklyn, making me watch it from start to finish.
Scottie Beam That’s exactly what's goin happen.
Scottie Beam That's because it don't make no sense. It's been two weeks now, so the bullying doesn't work. I'm pissed.
Sylvia O'Bell You know, there's been a lot going on in L.A. this weekend. Last weekend, I went to Vegas. It was just, you know, I've been busy.
Scottie Beam For the first time, by the way, guys.
Sylvia O'Bell For the first time, I'd never been to Vegas. It is essentially Times Square, but a city.
Scottie Beam Yeah.
Sylvia O’Bell I was like, It's, it's, it's, it was overwhelming, It was overstimulating. Mm-Hmm. But it was cool.
Scottie Beam I've never done it. I've went once, for one night, but we didn't do anything crazy. I had to go there for work, but I've never done, like, a wild girls trip to Las Vegas, like, I wanna do that!
Sylvia O'Bell I wanna do that too, haven't done yet either! Like, I feel like there's a lot of different ways you can do Vegas, and I feel like I just experienced like a little touch of like, OK, see it, do some touristy things, I rode in the gondola, you know, and like went to Fat Tuesdays, which I learned, I'm too old for now.
Jazmine Sullivan Why? I love Fat Tuesday!
Sylvia O'Bell You know what it is? I found myself at Fat Tuesdays and being like, So what's, which liquor, what kind of liquor is this? I was asking questions that nobody else was asking, I said, I’m too old.
Scottie Beam Nigga we got house liquor. That’s what we got.
Sylvia O’Bell I was like, is it rum, is it tequila, is it vodka? They were like, it’s rum. I was like, what’s in the octane, they were like, Everclear. I said, Everclear?
Scottie Beam They put Everclear?
Sylvia O’Bell Ask these questions people I’m telling you!
Scottie Beam I was about to say, shout out to Everclear. Woah.
Sylvia O’Bell I said I was drinking Everclear and rum?? All this time? And Sugar? I said, also, twenty-something Sylvia was like, show me the strongest drink. Thirty-something Sylvia was like, so what’s in this?
Scottie Beam What’s in this, right.
Sylvia O’Bell Anyway, but yes, I've been busy.
Scottie Beam Hmm.
Sylvia O’Bell I will watch Crooklyn. All I ask is for some grace and kindness as I go through this difficult time. But let's move on to things we have watched. OK? Let’s change the topic to things we have watched.
Scottie Let’s talk about things we have watched. Oh my God.
Sylvia O’Bell Scottie Yanisha Beam has not stopped talking about one Netflix show in particular. I’ll let her have the moment that she needs to have about it.
Scottie Beam Guys! OK, first of all, the fact that I wasn't going to watch the show because it looked white, so I was like, Hey, guys, there's a lot of white people in the show, and I don't think I have the capacity to like care. But, when I said, I'll just watch one episode, I was like, God, damn, this is a great series! I'm already on board and I'm talking about Maid. OK. Maid with every, all of those people on there.
Syliva O’Bell I really was about to, I leaned in like, Oh? With who?
Scottie Beam With Anika Noni Rose on there.
Sylvia O’Bell The one Black woman yes.
Scottie Beam And all the amazing, the rest of the cast. The amazing cast there. But it's an incredible series. It's about this single mother who is with her, you know, the father of her child. And he is basically, she's a survivor of domestic violence, and she doesn't know that yet. So, yeah, it's a really good piece, but I related to it so much because it reminded me of my mother and I, me being the baby, my mother being the lead of the show. And it was, it was so good. I cried every single episode, every single one. I called my mom. I was like, Mom, listen, OK, hear me out. I know you don't watch no white shit. But let me tell you something this year right here. This is us, girl. Like, This is us. So she watched it and she was crying, too. She sends me pictures and videos from watching the series and she's like, Oh my God, they do the same thing we do like the certain parts in the series, like when the baby sings Shoop, shoop de doop, shoop de doop de doop, I used to sing that to my mom. My mom used to make me sing it to other people.
Sylvia O'Bell What parents?
Scottie Beam These parents.
Sylvia O’Bell Do that thing you do!
Scottie Beam Do it, do it sing for them! Sing Shoop de Doop!
Sylvia O’Bell Sing it!
Scottie Beam Like, my mom is that person. So, you know, and there was other moments, you know, that I guess made her think of my dad and the dynamic between her and my father and myself. So I thought that shit was incredible. It was really good, like it was written really well. The acting! The actors was acting. You hear me? And there's a real mother daughter duo. You know, the lead and the mother of the lead are mother and daughter.
Sylvia O'Bell Wait cuz the mother, the mother of the lead is famous like I've seen her and other things.
Scottie Beam Yes.
Sylvia O’Bell Um... Andie MacDowell!
Scottie Beam Andie MacDowell.
Sylvia O’Bell I know her from a lot of other white shows.
Scottie Beam Mm-Hmm.
Sylvia O’Bell Like, oh, you know what she was in? Beauty Shop, Queen Latifah, you remember the bougie white woman?
Scottie Beam Yes!
Sylvia O’Bell The one with the monkey bread! I was like, what can I do here to help Scottie meet me half way?
Scottie Beam Yes, her, so yeah, the mother, she's the mother in this show.
Sylvia O'Bell So that's her real daughter?
Scottie Beam That's her real daughter.
Sylvia O'Bell Shut the fuck up!
Scottie Beam Yes it is that blew my mind.
Sylvia O'Bell And I love that.
Scottie Beam And the girls are acting.
Sylvia O’Bell So I watched the first episode and I didn't keep going because again, sadness is the thing here that I’m trying to avoid.
Scottie Beam Yeah,
Sylvia O’Bell But I saw they had that cute behind, Raymond, a Black, the guy who plays Nate.
Scottie Beam Oh yes, he’s handsome. He’s a handsome man.
Sylvia O'Bell He’s handsome. And I saw Anika Noni Rose and then people, people who I trust like you, like my friend Kendall, I saw Ava DuVernay tweeted about just how well-done it was and like the characters, so I was like, let me try to watch this. But I do think what I like from the episode I saw was how realistic they’re being about how hard it is to get out of poverty. And just like how, like, it's just this economy is such a loop and how much our systems are broken.
Scottie Beam Right. I'm going to say, and how much support, like, the lack of support that survivors of domestic violence actually have and the work that they have to do to get some safety.
Sylvia O’Bell Right.
Scottie Beam It's insane. So, I, it blew my mind. It was great. It was well-written and I really enjoyed it. So yes, please watch Maid if you can, and thank me later. All right now, what are you watching, Sylvia?
Sylvia O'Bell Now me, like most of Black Twitter?
Scottie Beam Damn!
Sylvia O’Bell Am very excited about the return of Issa and them! And a little show we like to call Insecure. It is back, baby, but it feels bittersweet because it's the last season. And so like, while I'm very excited to get more new episodes, I'm also sad because I know it's almost over. It's like when you at the end of a good meal.
Scottie Beam Mm hmm.
Sylvia O’Bell Or when have your favorite candy, it's like the last few left, and like, you’re happy you have it but you’re sad because it’s almost gone. That's how I feel about this season of Insecure. People who have followed me for a long time know I've been mad obsessed with the show. This show made me a host for the first time. Like, this show gave me my first show.
Scottie Beam Oh yeah!
Sylvia O’Bell Hella Opinions. Because that's how my first show that ever hosted started was as a Insecure after a show. And the only reason I got picked to host it was because, well, besides being good at it, but like also, I knew the most about it on our team. And so they were like, Sylvia should host. And that's how I started getting in this hosting game and all. So it has a bit of sentimental value to me, and I just think that for me, what I love it, and I think it speaks to also what I love about Insecure beyond what's happening on screen is just like it's created- It's- the networking across Issa has done across platforms for this show over the course of these five seasons have put so many people on. I got a chance to attend the Block Party this weekend and just a lot of the premiere festivities that were happening throughout L.A. And I love that Issa puts on her city so specifically in that way. And I think it's the thing all creatives can take a note from where it's like, you don't have to be somebody who you're not like when you make it. You know, I mean, like, I loved when I was watching her and like, you see her, like her and her childhood, like her home friends are there like not just her celebrity friends, but also like local Black businesses from around like it was happening in the backyard of like the hilltop parking lot, like Insecure fashion which is like, you know, like, and it was like in South L.A., not like Hollywood L.A. and it was like literally actually where she was doing the walk, where they filmed her doing the walk from Lawrence's apartment to hers after that episode. Like it was like on that corner, like if you watch it. So it was like, I just loved how Black it was. I loved how organic and like just South L.A. It was like from the vendors to the music to like, you know, whoever she had for the DJ, the hosts were Krystal and Fran, like, it was just really dope. And it was, it was all free. Everything was like, she wasn’t chargin’ nobody for nothin, for no drinks. Not for no food. The food was bomb, but it was just like, Have fun! Do it up!
Scottie Beam Right.
Sylvia O’Bell And it was just a good time. And I just think like it speaks to why it just jumps off the screen, the impact of Insecure and like how our generation… she really made, like, I think she just did it up for the culture in a big way for us. And I think this show represents a lot to us in that way, and I hope that it just spearheads a lot more.
Scottie Beam Right.
Sylvia O’Bell Because, you know, it was definitely lightning in a bottle and a lot of ways. But I do think that the way they did it, and like doing it for themselves is like something that we can all take moving forward. And I hope that this is just the start of a ton more of shows like Insecure. We can all argue on Twitter and be too relatable, be too triggered by the characters and like, see yourself in various moments. So I love to do, when people get specifically annoyed about certain things in Insecure, I'll be like “Ain’t that us, tho, and ain’t that why we mad?” Like, even in the sense of like Issa and Lawrence and like how we're back here again almost every other season wondering if they're going to get back together and be like, I don't know how many times can we do this storyline? Well, ain’t that you and your exes?
Scottie Beam Hello?
Sylvia O’Bell So it’s like,
Scottie Beam That’s reality.
Sylvia O’Bell That's reality. I think the central, you know, relationship in the show, they keep pointing out is her and Molly, and I'm interested to see how they heal this season as well, because in the premiere, it shows them dealing with the transition of going from fake cool, like, being fake back to back back. Which I think is, I love that they specify those two because its like,
Scottie Beam There is a difference.
Sylvia O’Bell How long does it take to get from being fake back to really back back?
Scottie Beam Right?
Sylvia O’Bell And it's like that seems to be like the journey they're trying to go on.
Scottie Beam That's so true, that’s real!
Sylvia O’Bell That’s a real ass transition!
Scottie Beam Yo, that is a real thing.
Sylvia O'Bell And so I love seeing that conversation in the premier, and like, them going back to Stanford and like reflecting on the past and deciding about the future. But Prentice said that the theme of this season is: OK, like people, how are people going to be OK, how are these characters going to be OK? That's why each episode ends with, OK? You know, question mark. So I'm excited to see how our people end up, and I'm sure, I'm sure Issa is going to piss me off. The writer Issa, or the writers room. I'm sure I'm going to be upset, but I'm looking forward to the journey. Yeah so we’ll see what happens? Speaking of Insecure...
Scottie Beam Insecure, and Insecure Fest.
Sylvia O'Bell It closed out with the one and only Jazmine Sullivan taking us the fuck home.
Scottie Beam I saw them Insta the stories, I was like, girl is singing down. You hear me?
Sylvia O'Bell In that white trench. And she had these glasses, these white glasses, and she came out talking about bustin windows out of cars. And I said, I know that's right, Jazmine. And the voice we were, but what I was most excited about as I was watching her perform was that I knew a little secret, which would that mean a one Scotty Beam, were going to be talking to her Monday in our first ever Okay, Now Listen live show at Soho House, West Hollywood.
Scottie Beam Girl.
Sylvia O’Bell That’s a bad bitch
Scottie Beam Girl
Sylvia O’Bell Okay, what a venue. What a first venue, what a first guest! What a first audience!
Scottie Beam Our girl has been nominated for 12 Grammys in the past, child, and I know like right now, I'm just gonna tell you. Heaux Tales better motherfucking get a nomination and I mean, nominations!
Sylvia O'Bell With a S. The Black S.
Scottie Beam Do not play with me! Don't play, don't piss me off.
Sylvia O'Bell The Recording Academy,
Scottie Beam OK?
Sylvia O’Bell Don't do it.
Scottie Beam So, you know the fact that she's been bringing Black women together to talk through our unheard perspectives on love and dating, like with just one, one album, one project!
Sylvia O'Bell The tales we’re telling. They were tailing.
Scottie Beam Hello! Hoes was talking!
Sylvia O’Bell Okay, old hoes, young hoes.
Scottie Beam New hoes. All the hoes. All the hoes were talking.
Sylvia O'Bell And yeah, and so I think that's what would make this so special and validating for her for this kind of album.
Scottie Beam Yeah,
Sylvia O’Bell to receive that recognition. And what was beautiful about doing this event at Soho house with RCA, that was super intimate, but there were a lot of industry folks in the room, including some Recording Academy folks, so we got to threaten them in person, y’all, so just know, we held y’all down on what needed to be said.
Scottie Beam Eye contact was made. You hear me?
Sylvia O'Bell You know what I mean.
Scottie Beam So don’t play with me.
Sylvia O'Bell Don't play with us. But yes, it was beautiful. So it was kind of like we were in this garden room, back restaurant, floor to ceiling windows. 360 views of the West Hollywood Hills. And it was,
Scottie Beam And I'm talking about like, garden, like trees. There were trees inside, y’all.
Sylvia O'Bell It’s real bougie and fancy up in there. I would like,
Scottie Beam Think Pride Rock. Think - yes
Sylvia O’Bell Shut up.
Scottie Beam Think, Lion King.
Sylvia O’Bell I’m out. Guys, what?
Scottie Beam Think that. That's what I was, I’m like, “these trees are strong as shit.” What is happening?
Sylvia O’Bell Not Rafiki, ‘bout to come down this tree.
Scottie Beam It’s definitely a Rafiki moment.
Sylvia O’Bell I hate her. But also,
Scottie Beam It was that. It was really, it was really extreme, guys, it was beautiful. I loved it.
Sylvia O'Bell It was really beautiful and Jazmine sang, right before she sang two songs, right before we got to perform, which really threw, I was like, You're going to throw us off our game like this because I just came from church, now, after catching the spirit, Scottie literally almost hopped on stage with her, guys. I had to pull her back. I literally, two seconds from picking up that background mic.
Scottie Beam The runs don't make sense to me. Make it make sense!
Sylvia O'Bell It’s just anointed, voice of God. She just be, it’s so easy for her. She just, boom.
Scottie Beam Yeah. That’s all she has to do.
Sylvia O’Vell That lower register runs, higher. Like whatever you need she got you.
Scottie Beam She don’t need to move that. Like, literally, I just I… my mind is blown every time.
Sylvia O'Bell Just the hand of God.
Scottie Beam Every time she fucking sings.
Sylvia O’Bell On those vocal cords.
Scottie Beam Pisses me off
Sylvia O'Bell In the best way. And she looked great. Her all brown, chocolate brown look.
Scottie Beam She was given me neutral.
Sylvia O’Bell She's been giving us fashion, outerwear, and neutral. Her hair was beautiful and she was lovely.
Scottie Beam She’s so pretty.
Sylvia O’Bell We're so excited for you guys to hear this one. Let's cue it up.
Sylvia O’Bell Let's bring out the Queen Herself.
Scottie Beam Yes, child. Jazmine Sullivan!
Sylvia O’Bell Jazmine Sullivan! Come on back, come on back.
Scottie Beam You look good, girl!
Sylvia O’Bell Chocolate Drip, damn, okay!
Scottie Beam Yes, honey, chocolate! Come and sit down.
Sylvia O’Bell Have a seat, let’s get into this.
Jazmine Sullivan Hey, y'all, hey, y’all.
Scottie Beam Hey, love, how are you feeling?
Jazmine Sullican We family, we family cuz we about to talk about our ho tales. So listen, there’s no judgement here. Okay?
Sylvia O’Bell This is a no judgement zone.
Jazmine Sullivan No judgment zone.
Scottie Beam Ok, I don't want you sitting here perched, I already see you, ready to judge!
Jazmine Sullivan This is a no judgement zone.
Scottie Beam Let it go. Let it go.
Jazmine Sullivan We're all family here, right?
Scottie Beam We all have ho tales.
Jazmine Sullivan That's right.
Sylvia O’Bell OK, so we're going to get into it because we want to take up all the time we have with you. And I recently just saw you just Saturday at Insecure Fest.
Jazmine Sullivan Yes.
Sylvia O’Bell And can I just say,
Scottie Beam Singing down.
Sylvia O’Bell Just singing down. It was just, I literally was recording video and I caught the spirit like in the middle and I dropped my phone. And I just got this new iPhone, it was hard. So I was like, Wow, I'm so excited to talk to you because I love that Issa chose you to close out. Like this was the last Insecure block party, it’s the end of the premiere weekend, the end of a huge cultural moment for a lot of us. I mean, to kick off the premiere, how did it feel to be tapped for that and how does it feel to be part of that family overall?
Jazmine Sullivan It was amazing. I mean, it's no secret that I love Issa. I feel like she's one of those women that just speak for us as Black women and gets it. And so any time I can just vibe with her and do anything with her creatively, I'm always down, so I really enjoyed myself. L.A. was, when I say y'all was turnt!
Sylvia O’Bell We was turnt! Cuz listen, it was open bar.
Jazmine Sullivan Baby. That's all I saw was open bar, when I looked out, I said, “Oh! the bars open!” But it was, it was great.
Scottie Beam That's amazing. You are also responsible for the Insecure track.
Jazmine Sullivan Yes.
Scottie Beam And that was my jam.
Jazmine Sullivan Thank you!
Scottie Beam Now, talk to us about working on that.
Jazmine Sullivan So I was just, I was at home and I came across Insecure and I just start binge watching it and I fell in love with it. Like, I couldn't stop watching it. And it just inspired me to write the song. And we sent it to Issa. And she loved it, and we got Bryson Tiller, yes, to be on it. That's another person who I didn't think would want to collab, or,
Sylvia O’Bell Jazmine, I need you to, to cut the tape, but that's, cut the camera, deadass.
Scottie Beam Deadass, cut the tape.
Sylvia O’Bell Jazmine, I’m tired, I heard you say that about her earlier, that we also were like, do you know? I’m not scared of lions, tigers, and bears but I’m scared of loving you, Jazmine Sullivan? I need you bad as a heartbeat Jazmine Sullivan?
Scottie Beam Hello? Ten Seconds Sullivan, hello?
Sylvia O’Bell Bust the windows out your car, Sullivan? Imma need you to stop saying that.
Scottie Beam Brand New Miss Sullivan? Black Mascara Sullivan?
Sylvia O’Bell It’s the power of your vocals and your legacy!
Jazmine Sullivan Oh thank you, I appreciate that, but you know when you go away, you take breaks and you come back and it's like a new whole set of artists out there. You just don't know if people appreciate your music or appreciate you as an artist. And so, and I never want to just assume that people know me just because I've been doing this for a minute. So it’s humbling. You know that the newer artists, you know, have listened to me and looked up to me. I appreciate them.
Scottie Beam I want to say, a lot of them listen to you. A lot of them are inspired by you. A lot of songs that have been coming out have been from Jazmine Sullivan's Voice and pen. Oh, so yeah, this is definitely like, what? girl, stop. Cut that out, today.
Sylvia O’Bell Yeah, you know what? OK, well, we did selfishly want to ask because the new episode did drop Sunday, so we didn't know if you were Lauren's hybrid now, but we felt like our listeners were going to want to know how you Lawrence hive? Or are you Anti-Issa being a baby stepmomma to Kendolla’s baby?
Jazmine Sullivan Okay, Listen, I like, I like Lawrence. I do. I've always liked him, but I think he's taken a step too far. So I think she can go on about her merry wonderful, beautiful life and keep evolving.
Sylvia O’Bell Well, aight, you know?
Jazmine Sullivan I mean, I get the show, I get what I'm supposed to say, but like, just
Sylvia O’Bell No, I get that it’s a fair take. It’s a popular one.
Jazmine Sullivan Listen, as Black women we, sometimes I feel like we got to know when to let it go. Just keep it moving, you know what I’m saying?
Scottie Beam Amen to that!
Jazmine Sullivan Sometimes we gotta don't go back, keep it. Keep it pushing, y’all!
Scottie Beam Keep it pushing, please. Let’s get into Haux Tales.
Sylvia O’Bell Yeah, let's talk about it.
Scottie Beam Let's start with the intro track. “Bodies.”
Jazmine Sullivan I keep on piling up bodies on bodies!
Scottie Beam One of the best, like internal dialogs, like, ever. Because a lot of us in here can talk about that. Got, you know, please, get it together, bitch.
Jazmine Sullivan Get it together, bitch. Get it together, bitch, you know who you went home with again.
Scottie and Sylvia You don’t know who you went home with!
Sylvia O’Bell Don’t sing it, actually, Scottie, please. But I've been in many a brunch with people, been like, I just keep on piling on bodies on bodies. It’s a very,
Scottie Beam Child!
Sylvia O’Bell No, I wanna say, like, people will be like, how did Jazmine know?
Jazmine Sullivan Jazmine knows because Jazmine’s been through it okay?Jazmine has been through it, listen.
Sylvia O’Bell Yeah, so that sets the tone really for like, you know, the tales and this is, this one doesn't really come with a person before it. So we want to ask, like, what made you start off with this track?
Scottie Beam Yeah.
Jazmine Sullivan Um…
Sylvia O’Bell Is this personal? Have you been there?
Jazmine Sullivan Listen, I had a couple of years when I was wylin, I’ve, Listen!
Sylvia O’Bell Every woman deserves. Every person!
Jazmine Sullivan I was wyling out. And I was just doing my thing, I had came off of a relationship that was absolutely horrible, and I was healing, and I was healing… on some dicks. Oh my gosh, sorry! I didn’t mean to take it there.
Scottie Beam And the truth is!
Jazmine Sullivan And my man is here, sorry babe.
Sylvia O’Bell Just slipped and fell on it after yoga. You know, meditating, just meditating on the dick, okay, I get it I get it.
Scottie Beam To get over you gotta get under, okay?
Sylvia O’Bell To get over you gotta get under, sometimes.
Jazmine Sullivan Listen, but what I wanted to do was just let everybody know and set the tone as far as just not being ashamed of the things that you've gone through and giving yourself some grace. So, the song is a inner dialog about, like, trying to get yourself together, but I wanted to start it off that way to let everybody know, like, we all go through this, you know, we all go through it, and we all are trying to figure this thing out called life. And it's all right. You know, some, sometimes it's not your best moment. Sometimes it is. But you know, like, give yourself some grace and go through it.
Scottie Beam Right, When listening to “Bodies,” and “Antoinette's tail,” I'm reminded of, like right now, a lot of people are exploring sexual liberation and getting past this body count craze because child, like, there was a time where we were giving numbers to these men who were asking you what your body count was, which now makes me want to throw up. But the fact that I, yeah, and so like girls, like the girls, including myself, was robbing myself of a good time because I didn't want to come off of this hand. I could not like,
Sylvia O’Bell Can’t get past that one home!
Scottie Beam Get past that five men. You know what I'm saying? So I did want to ask, like, what did it look like when you decided that you wanted to claim ownership over your body?
Jazmine Sullivan So that's exactly what I was going through while working on this. I was coming off of feeling the shame of the things that I had done, and I was speaking to myself about just not feeling that way. Like, Don't be ashamed of the things that you've done. You've experienced, you know, in a society, a woman is supposed to look a certain way, sound a certain way, act a certain way. And I just really wanted to get free. And I wanted to give freedom to my sisters like y’all, we got to get free. Oh my God.
Scottie Beam Yes. Yes.
Jazmine Sullivan From what everybody says we are supposed to be and do and all of that, and so that's I was working through it myself. Get free, I love that.
Sylvia O’Bell I love that
Scottie Beam I love that
Sylvia O’Bell And speaking of being free, you took it, As we move on, right along through the track takes us right into after the very amazing single “Pick up Your Feelings,” which we would be remiss just not to shout out.
Scottie Beam Hello.
Sylvia O’Bell But we put it down on it, Ari’s Tale!
Jazmine Sullivan Ari’s Tale!
Sylvia O’Bell Ari’s Tale!
Jazmine Sullivan I Love Ari. Ari Lennox is the funniest woman that I've ever met.
Scottie Beam Honest and honest.
Jazmine Sullivan She is so funny by accident. I love her.
Sylvia O’Bell This is just her truth.
Jazmine Sullivan This is just her truth, yes. I heard that clip on her live, one of her infamous lives. Yeah, she’s so funny. And I was like, I have to use that, have to use that. And then, you know, we've just grown to be good friends, like, she's such a dope chick. And she speaks, she's another woman who speaks for us. And so I love women who are honest about where they are in their life, and that's what I've tried to do. My whole career is just like, tell it exactly like it is, whether I was bustin windows out and, you know, I was.
Scottie Beam Well, child, I wanted to ask you…
Jazmine, Scottie, and Sylvia talk over each other.
Scottie Beam I’m glad you brought that up because I did want to ask, we need an update. What's the craziest thing you've done over some dick? Aside from busting the windows out somebody’s car.
Sylvia O’Bell Cuz that’s what a lot of these songs are talking about.
Scottie Beam We got to update it.
Jazmine Sullivan I would say bust, busting the windows was the most extreme that I've been.
Sylvia O’Bell Ok.
Scottie Beam I got some more ideas for you.
Jazmine Sullivan but I want to also say that it wasn't just me. I was. I had a tribe around me.
Sylvia O’Bell Oh yeah, you never commit these crimes alone.
Jazmine Sullivan A lovely window busting tribe, a beautiful Black tribe around me and they helped me do it as well!
Sylvia O’Bell You got to have a getaway driver.
Jazmine Sullivan It's about sisterhood.
Scottie Beam Absolutely. Yes, absolutely.
Sylvia O'Bell But you said, so, that was the most extreme?
Jazmine Sullivan Yeah, that was the most extreme.
Sylvia O’Bell So you brought up IG Stories and we were very, we love the IG stories you do. And we thought the one where you posed this question like this to your audience and people were feeling back. Crazy stuff like the kind of things women were talking about that they have done over being just stigmatized. I was blown away.
Jazmine Sullivan Women and men, I mean.
Sylvia O’Bell Women and Men. So I wanted to ask, like did, did talking to the woman in mass give you any insight about like, what about good sex makes all of us lose our minds? Because like, to be honest, especially with women, I was confused because,, the orgasm stats don't really match the chaos.
Scottie Beam Somebody's lying. Somebody’s Lying!
Sylvia O’Bell Somebody’s lying, people, I feel like people are doing a lot over a lot of mediocre stuff, and I feel like it's a deeper issue sometimes, you know what I mean, so knowing, I mean, so when you, were when you were getting answers back- she right about it?
Jazmine Sullivan Haha, she right about it?
Sylvia O’Vell That's what I was wondering. Like, did any of the responses give any like insights of what really is sometimes what's going on with that?
Jazmine Sullivan Um, I think that we all want love. And I think sometimes that influences the way that we act or react to things. Not so much the actual slaying of the dick or the,
Sylvia O’Bell Right, right, right. Right, right.
Jazmine Sullivan But it's more of the fact that we want to be wanted and we we want to be loved, which it's a human, you know, reaction?
Sylvia O’Bell Yeah, And speaking of wanting to be loved, one of my favorite tracks on this album is “Girl Like Me,” and I was very thrilled that you performed it here today. I know it caused a lot of conversation because a lot of folks felt like maybe, some folks feel like maybe there was like some slut shaming going on or something like that. But for me, I really took it as like the pain that sometimes comes from that being chosen because you're a certain kind of woman and like just the popularity about like, you know, the, you were referencing Fashion Nova with like are like wearing this type of clothes or just becoming like a different kind of woman who doesn't care as much or is just not trying to do the right thing always to just make a man happy. What was the, really the inspiration behind the song?
Jazmine Sullivan Well, definitely wasn't me slut shaming,
Sylvia O’Bell Right.
Jazmine Sullivan With Amanda's Tale tale, she talks about. Feeling like she has to perform sexually and give her body to be wanted, and to be loved, and like I said, that really motivates a lot of people. And that's another thing that I want us to be free from is needing validation from anybody outside of ourselves, like we have to really, really love ourselves. And that's what I wanted the tales to show, were women in their most vulnerable state so that we can come up out of that, man. Because I mean, it just leads to all type of destruction and just bad decisions when you don't love yourself. And when you doing it because you love yourself, If you want to have sex and sleep with people because you know, that's just what you love to do, that's a different thing. But if you're doing it because you don't feel like you're enough and you need validation from somebody, then that's not. That's not the…
Scottie Beam Yeah. And then we have tracks like “Price Tags,” and “Other Sides,” child.
Jazmine Sullivan Yes, baby “Price Tags!”
Sylvia O’Bell Shout out to Mr. Pak.
Jazmine Sullivan Yes, Anderson!
Scottie Beam Which talks about, you know, getting some money from these niggas. You know, I'm just in layman's terms, yeah. Taxing these niggas for your time.
Jazmine Sullivan Yes. And that time!
Scottie Beam Yes, time costs money.
Jazmine Sullivan Yes, it does. And that's a woman owning, you know who she is and like saying, You know this shit costs, you know I'm saying, we're going to be together, this shit cause, but also on a deeper level. What I wanted to do with that specifically is shed a light on, on that type of woman. I feel like we judge women who
Scottie Beam Immediately.
Jazmine Sullivan you know, they think about their bank accounts and they think about their future and stuff like that. And we call them gold diggers. But let's talk a little more about, like, why they are the way they are, the motivation behind things. And that's what I wanted to do with all the women on there is just show the motivation behind the decisions that we make. And so with her, with Precious, you know, she grew up not having anything and her motivation was like, I'm never going to be in that situation again. So, so you can feel her on a different level rather than just saying, OK, she's just a gold digger - No! She does that because she's had nothing and she doesn't want to be that way anymore, so just looking at it from a different angle.
Sylvia O’Bell Yeah. And I love the light of the track like that because they humanize a lot of stereotypes.
Jazmine Sullivan Definitely.
Sylvia O’Bell I think that's what you do doing a lot of these tracks, and it's one of the reasons I love it so much, the narratives around it. But it also made us think about even just as successful women, like yourself, how does the balance that comes from money and dating like, especially when you're a woman who's likely making more than most, a lot of the men unless you're shrinking your dating pool? And like, how do you balance like, who pays for what or what? Like, do you feel like there's a happy medium that you try to go for when it comes to, you know, the Twitter $200 a day argument?
Scottie Beam My God.
Jazmine Sullivan What's that Twitter $200?
Sylvia O’Bell They was talking about some
Scottie Beam A date is supposed to be,
Sylvia O’Bell If it doesn’t cost at least $200 on the first date.
Scottie Beam It's not a date
Sylvia O’Bell That is not. And then you got, you shouldn’t go out on a second one, and he better pay and you better, not even reach for your card.
Jazmine Sullivan Oh, okay. I mean, I think it's whatever works for you, whatever it is that you want out of a partner, if if that's something that, that you want and that motivates you want to have a man that pay for everything and make sure that you're taken care of in that way, then you know you do it, if it's not, you don't. It's just it's personal. It's a personal thing.
Scottie Beam Very personal, money is personal. It's a very personal experience.
But hearing Amanda's tale right is so close and vulnerable. I did want to talk about how you got to get these stories. What is that like?
Jazmine Sullivan So Amanda and Antoinette specifically are two of my best friends. So we grew up together. We were in high school together. We bust windows out together.
Scottie Beam That's right. They real friends.
Jazmine Sullivan We have cried together, we will go on to church to get, we've done everything we've, you know, watch the children be born and everything, so it was a big ask. Definitely. To go to them and say, you know, can you bear your soul for everybody to hear and possibly everybody to judge? But I'm so big on sisterhood. And they are truly my tribe and they love me, and they trusted me enough to take their stories. And I put it on a project. And it meant so much to me because to me, the tales are just as important as the songs, if not more, because they just give you a more depth to the project. And so, yeah, they, they… I'm sure they were nervous to put it on the air, but they trusted me as their sisters.
Scottie Beam Right because, with asking your friends to share moments they might not have forgiven themselves for. You know, it's a deep place. I know you had to do the personal work for yourself too.
Jazmine Sullivan I mean, yeah, I feel like Amanda was clearly working it out.
Scottie Beam Yeah.
Jazmine Sullivan On that particular tale, she and I'm pretty sure after she heard it, she listened to it, and, um, I feel like as her best friend that she's in a different place and she's in a better place. And I feel like that's what the tales have helped do was to create community for us and let us see that there's people out there who feel the same way as you. And when you have that, it makes you grow, and I believe that it did for them and for everybody who.
Scottie Beam Did the process help you forgive yourself?
Jazmine Sullivan Most definitely. Most definitely. Yeah. I mean, like I said, I was working through my own stuff while I was doing the project. But when I put it out there and to see the women come together and just be like, Girl, I'm so glad you said that because this is my story that is so powerful, man. Like to have that community among us Black women and, and to be able to change the narrative because I feel like, you know, Society and Hollywood paints us out to be a certain type of way, where we just going at each other and we catty and we, two Black women can't be great at the same time like, this y’all, what, that's not true!
Sylvia O’Bell Right, make it very two dimensional, one dimensional.
Jazmine Sullivan Man, that is not true at all. That is not true at all. We are better together, and that's what I've seen in this process. So that was the most fulfilling part of it.
Sylvia O’Bell And I had to ask a quick sidebar because I love the community, especially the one where it sounds like there's a roomful of women in the one where we've been trying to figure out whose,
Scottie Beam That’s your mom’s house?
Jazmine Sullivan That’s my mom’s house. Baby, the old hoes, baby was turnt. Let me just tell.
Sylvia O’Bell I gotta know who was screaming “she right about it,” because the way, I’ve been hearing that in the streets.
Jazmine Sullivan Listen, “she right about it” was my God mom. She, she passed about a year ago. So rest in peace, God mama Nisha, girl you a star, girl! A star!
Scottie Beam What an energy!
Sylvia O’Bell And she was right about it! Absolutely.
Jazmine Sullivan And she's, she's been my mom's like closest friends since they were younger, so it was, it was a beautiful.
Sylvia O’Bell I love that, I love that you brought the multi-generational aspect.
Jazmine Sullivan Oh, definitely, we had. We definitely had to get, I call it the old hoes, excuse me. The old ho tales, baby, because they got some knowledge to shed on us. And also to break that barrier where you feel like, you know, we're so separate and we don't understand each other, they totally,
Scottie Beam Right, How dare you judge.
Jazmine Sullivan They play through it.
Scottie Beam You trickin, too.
Sylvia O'Bell We're not the first women to go through this thing that we're all going through.
Jazmine Sullivan Exactly. Yeah,
Scottie Beam Absolutely. I love that.
Sylvia O’Bell OK, so we also have breakup songs like we mentioned, “Pick up Your Feelings,” and “Lost Ones.” I said, What's Jazmine trying to do to me? I wasn't in a relationship. I wasn't in a heartbreak. You would have thought I just got left by my husband and left him with four kids, like I just couldn't even. It was, it’s so good.
Jazmine Sullivan Thank you.
Sylvia O’Bell And you, this is not like the first breakup song of yours or heartbreak song the bureau has made me, and I'm sure everybody in the room feel that way. How do you go about like, I don't know if there's a formula, but how do you go about crafting these songs when you tap into them?
Jazmine Sullivan Um, well, I had writer's block during this project, so “Lost Ones,” was probably one of my first songs, and I really wasn't that confident about that song. That's why it was so short. I really pretty much bared all at can on that particular song, but I don't know. I just kind of listen to the music. The music kind of told me, you know, what's really the saddest thing that you can think about right now and that kind of crafted this song right there. But yeah, and then the tale was Rashida’s tale, that was my cousin. And she's had a very full life there, so that's what we'll say. She had a very, very full life.
Sylvia O’Bell Good for Rashida, you know?
Scottie Beam No, I mean, that speaks. You know, I did talk about that on the podcast before about women who don't speak about cheating, you know, and
Jazmine Sullivan We cheat too, baby, and we got to be real about it. You know, it's a part of being, a part of life, right?
Scottie Beam That was, I was going to ask you, why did it? Why did it feel important to like, tell this story? Because that’s not talked about a lot.
Jazmine Sullivan Because we cheat too. I mean, it’s just, it is what it is. And I wanted to tell all types of stories and, like you said, stories that we don't necessarily talk about or want to talk about and give voice to. And so that was just, you know, another part of the story that we don't usually say. You know, we make our mistakes as well. I don't think it's as often.
Scottie Beam It's not, just don't get it messed up because I see y’all lookin’ like, waiting to use this in an argument, you not! This ain’t that time.
Jazmine Sullivan Calm down. Calm down!
Sylvia O'Bell And Sylvia said that y’all cheat too. And they said that y’all do it better, so!
Jazmine Sullivan So I mean, but I take that back because I'm some of the stuff I was reading on my Instaram, baby. I don't know. We might cheat more.
Sylvia O’Bell That instagram was ho-ot.
Scottie Beam Yes. But let's talk about the pen game, please. Your project is next level, but let's not get this confused. Your pen has always been phenomenal.
Jazmine Sullivan Oh, thank you.
Scottie Beam Always have been phenomenal.
Sylvia O’Bell Long time. From the beginning.
Scottie Beam You've been giving us bangers for years now. OK, “Reality Show,” “Fearless.” “Love Me Back.” “Love Me Back” is the jam. Yeah, fight me. OK? I do not play about “Love Me Back.” How do you feel about the progression of your creativity and storytelling?
Jazmine Sullivan It's natural, it's, it's like I said, whatever it is that I'm kind of feeling, I'm going through, it wasn't actually that easy with this project. It was, it was a little difficult and I had to kind of work through it and work through my insecurities of not feeling like I was good enough, not feeling like I had anything to say that was poignant or that people would feel and I had to work through that myself. But writing for me is therapy. And I have to do it because otherwise, I don't think I speak if I'm not actually writing it down and making a song, that's something I realized in therapy. Shout out to therapy baby.
Sylvia O’Bell Shout out to therapy!
Jazmine Sullivan And that, that is my way of kind of communicating and getting things out is through my writing and all that as well to my mom, who was the playwright and my grandma who was a poet in church... and just, I always had women around me who were like penning, and they were like being creative in that way. And they allowed me the space to do that for myself, like when I was writing, when I was a kid, my mom, just as much as the songs sucked as the, you know, 13 year old would write, she just encouraged me to keep going. So I appreciate that, you know, she allowed me to go through that.
Scottie Beam because you are an example of what Black Woman's love affair of literature looks like. You know, you are behind poets and, you know, playwrights. So I think that's an incredible thing to point out. What's something that spoke the most loudly for you when you are reading your grandmother's poetry?
Jazmine Sullivan My grandma, you know, what's funny, she's really funny. And I think I incorporate that with my music, and when I'm telling stories, I do have a funny outlook on it the way I craft it, and I honestly think that's from my grandmom. And just listening to her, write her poems, and I always found myself laughing or giggling while I'm listening to it. It’s hitting home, but it's a funny outlook to it.
Scottie Beam It's the joy.
Sylvia O’Bell And you talked about how, like writing, you were working through a lot in this album and writing through it. Was there anything else you do to, like, work through things? I think a lot of our listeners often are going through stuff like this and trying to work through, but they don't know what that looks like in a tangible way.
Jazmine Sullivan Oh yeah. I cry. I go in a corner and I just cry. I go to my mom and I talk to my mom and she says, Jazmine, you are a gift from God. And no matter what you're going through or how you feel right now, you have a purpose. I have that with my mother as far as just pushing me to be my best, going to my girlfriends and telling them how I'm feeling and I'm doing the same thing is just about community and going to the people that love you and know you the most and having them just fill you up. Sometimes you can't do it on your own, to be honest. You need somebody to help you get through it and you got to, you got to go to your people and they be like, Girl. Get your, get on your shit! get on your Shiv. So we need each other.
Sylvia O’Bell And that's what I call Scottie for, she’s the get on your shit friend. Please.
Jazmine Sullivan Everybody needs a good get on your shit friend.
Scottie Beam I don’t play around. Get the fuck up. Stop playing with me. You forgot who you are. I'm here to remind you.
Sylvia O’Bell Don’t piss me off.
Scottie Beam Don't piss me off. That's my number one line.
Sylvia O’Bell But no, that's well. There's nothing like a mother's pep talk. There's nothing like a village of friends. We talk about how it takes a village to raise a child, but I could take the village to raise me as a grown woman too, still! Still! It don’t stop!
Scottie Beam Right, right. What stories are you looking forward to telling next?
Speaker 5 Um, well, you know, we did “Tragic,” which is the last song that was out, which was about tragic penis, and…
Sylvia O’Bell The numbers we’re mapping on that one. It was mapping a big way. It was mapping a big way.
Jazmine Sullivan Hold on, this isn't right. This isn't working.
Sylvia O’Bell Tragic.
Scottie Beam And can we talk about that. Please?
Jazmine Sullivan You know how women's needs are not met and we aren't considered like, they don't even care.
Scottie Beam But see, but, but.
Sylvia O’Bell It’s the finger on the knee.
Scottie Beam But Jazmine, it’s us because we're not telling niggas the truth.
Jazmine Sullivan It is us!
Scottie Beam And I need y'all to start telling these niggas the truth. No, it wasn't bomb. No this pussy not yours. No, it wasn't like that.
Jazmine Sullivan Listen,
Sylvia O’Bell Because if you don't, the whose going to have to.
Scottie Beam Do community - this is community service!
Sylvia O’Bell I don't want to be the villain, I’m tired of being the dang old villain.
Jazmine Sullivan Who told you this was good, who lying?
Jazmine, Scottie, and Sylvia WHO LYING?
Sylvia O’Bell And you can see the genuine shock, like the lies, the lies!
Scottie Beam It's crazy.
Jazmine Sullivan Exactly.
Scottie Beam So it starts with us, women. OK.
Jazmine Sullivan It does start with us an about honesty. Honestly and self-love. Listen love yourself enough to tell that man, this is not it. This does not work for me.
Sylvia O'Bell What's the worst thing was going to happen? You're going to lose the guy with the tragic dick?
Scottie Beam Do - I mean, Right. Oops! My bad.
Sylvia O’Bell Like, what are we getting out of life?
Scottie Beam Right.
Jazmine Sullivan So we're definitely doing, um, thinking about more, you know, risque songs like that. And trying to get to some heart as well. I'm still working it out in my head, so.
Sylvia O’Bell Jazmine, we're just basically what we saying is like, don't leave us again for too, too long, like you know?
Jazmine Sullivan It definitely wouldn't be there. Let me, let me tell you, I hate bringing this up so much. But since my mom was diagnosed with cancer a couple of years ago, time is totally different for me now, so, you know, when you go through that, you realize you just don't know what tomorrow's going to bring, you don't know what you're going to be here, you don't know if the people that you love the most are going to be here, so you kind of have to seize the day. Every day that you get is a blessing. Being here with you guys is a blessing. You know, being with Issa and everybody at the festival was a blessing. Like everything, you just appreciate it so much more. So I'm working through. It is hard, you know, like I said, sometimes I don't feel my best and I don't feel like I'm great, but you just got to push through that, and that's basically what I'm doing every day.
Sylvia O’Bell I think the pandemic made a lot of us, like work through that too, in a lot of ways, all of the loss and the death and the sickness and just being alone with nothing but your thoughts.
Scottie Beam Yeah, right. So when was the last time you celebrated yourself?
Sylvia O’Bell Yeah. Mhm.
Scottie Beam Oh, girl, think it through. b
Sylvia O’Bell Because we can start now.
Scottie Beam We can celebrate now. We can,
Sylvia O’Bell Bring up!
Jazmine Sullivan No, I don't. I don't know. I don't know. I can't really say the last time I celebrated myself, I kind of just been on the run and just working now at this point. But I don't know. I feel like I'm celebrating myself by like going to therapy like,
Scottie Beam OK.
Sylvia O’Bell That’s an answer, that is a valid answer. I think one thing that definitely needs celebrating for sure is these 12 Grammy nominations!
Scottie Beam Speak on it!
Sylvia O’Bell 12! Double digits! We gon’ need to have a celebration.
Scottie Beam And she better get every last one.
Sylvia O’Bell We need it.
Scottie Beam Every last one, Grammy people in here don't play with me.
Sylvia O’Bell Don't play with, But how does it feel - If you're in here, Recording Academy.
Scottie Beam Okay, Don’t play with me.
Sylvia O’Bell Don’t play with us, remember these faces.
Scottie Beam Put a vote down for me.
Sylvia O’Bell But can you, how does it feel to have that recognition from the industry and to, like, be getting your flowers in this way because it's so overdue? But I'm so glad it's happening. I love this moment for you.
Jazmine Sullivan I mean, it feels amazing. Let me tell you, it feels amazing. I've been doing this for a minute and, you know, to see the work that I put in and especially with this project, because it wasn't the easiest to actually put it together. To see people show me love and give me love feels amazing. I'm always working on validating myself, though, and feeling like I'm worthy without any notoriety or any awards or anything. So that's the most important thing for me is that I feel it for myself, and then everything else is second.
Sylvia O’Bell Yeah, that's exactly what our next point about, too, because like awards, it's nice to be recognized. But also, we definitely want to put out the message like regardless of what happens, like, this is the moment.
Jazmine Sullivan Really you got to, for yourself. You just got to know who you are and know you're the bomb.
Sylvia O’Bell And you know the album with the bomb and the vocals is anointed and know that Jesus literally put his thumb right here. Every time you open, your voice
Scottie Beam It is insane.
Jazmine Sullivan The best part of it like, honestly was, was the fact that us as Black women, we were coming together and we telling our stories and we feel like we're seen and, you know, these stories that nobody tends to talk about or nobody cares about. We care about. We're celebrating ourselves, laughing at ourselves, healing ourselves, you know what I'm saying, so that's, that's the most amazing part of this whole project.
Sylvia O’Bell The forums are beautiful. The Twitter conversations, the clubhouse rooms.
Jazmine Sullivan It’s been amazing.
Sylvia O’Bell It was so wild to see, but we were all like, Well while Jazmine is on the subject. Let's talk about it because we haven't been getting past these stereotypes. But I love, yes, I love the overall theme of just getting past these stereotypes and giving us dimension, and that this is the album that you lent your voice to or the messages that you chose to, because I think it just makes the fact that it did get those 12 nominations even more beautiful, that it was such an honest,
Scottie Beam Honest, authentic,
Sylvia O’Bell Genuine project.
Jazmine Sullivan I appreciate.
Scottie Beam Thank you. Absolutely. Thank you for always providing perspective, too, especially for those who don't listen to us or don't care to just take a deep dive into our perspective and what we're hearing or what we're seeing. You know what I'm saying? So I think I'm very appreciative for your voice, but most definitely your pen. Thank you. So thank you so much.
Jazmine Sullivan
Scottie Beam Yes, absolutely.
Sylvia O’Bell Thank you so much for talking to Jazmine!
Jazmine Sullivan Thank you guys!
Scottie Beam You guys are amazing. Don't ever let me hear you get really like, that whole, “I didn't know that, I didn't know that they would want to sing with me,”
Jazmine Sullivan I didn’t!
Scottie Beam Girl, don't do that.
Sylvia O’Bell If I hear you, I’ll be like, Jazmine I told you!
Jazmine Sullivan I appreciate y’all for that.
Scottie Beam Thank you so much for sitting with us. Appreciate you. Thank you. Thank y’all for sitting with us. Love, y'all. Thank you!
Jazmine Sullivan Thank you.
Sylvia O'Bell All right. That's our show. Thank you all for tuning in.
Scottie Beam Our show is a production of Pineapple Street Studios in partnership with Netflix and Strong Black Lead. Shout out to our team. Our editor is Jess Jupiter and our producer is Taylor Hosking. Our music is by Amanda Jones. Special thanks to Max Linsky and Jenna Weiss Berman.
Sylvia O'Bell Make sure you share your thoughts with us on the episode using the #OKNowListen and follow Strong Black Lead on the socials, @StrongBlackLead. and follow us too. I'm @SylviaOBell, stop tweeting me about Crooklyn, you got me about to be acting like Scottie now.
Scottie Beam And I’m @ScottieBeam, keep bullying Sylvia please.
Sylvia O’Bell Wow!
Scottie and Sylvia Until next time, folks,
Scottie Beam Please,
Sylvia O'Bell Stay blessed and out my DMs, thanks, bye.