On this episode, we check-in about what phase we're really in when it comes to this quarantine. Then, we get our entire lives while in conversation with the one and only, Nia Long. She talks with us about her new Netflix film, Fatal Affair, her legacy, and how all black girls are extensions of one another. Finally, we wrap up the episode with some recommendations that'll have you set on your next television and album binge.
Okay, Now Listen Episode 7 with Nia Long
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Scottie: You are listening to Okay, Now Listen, a biweekly show where we chat about what's on our minds, what we're bingeing and what's blowing up our timelines.
Sylvia: I'm Sylvia Obell. I'm a culture writer, host, producer and lover of Beyoncé.
Scottie: And I'm Scottie Beam, a media personality, content creator, music enthusiast and wing connoisseur, again, because this is my last day not eating meat. I'm back. I'm back on it. Lord.
Sylvia: She's back bitches. [laughs]
Scottie: I'm back. Back with you chicken. I ain't never left. Go ahead.
Sylvia: Well first, we wanted to start off by thanking you all so much for all the love we got on our love episode. Clearly many folks are familiar with the ghetto that is dating. And while, I hate to see it, I love to see it. Because I wish --.
Scottie: Mkay.
Sylvia: I wish this wasn't so many of our truths. But you guys made us feel like we weren't alone. And then we're very glad that what we said was able to resonate and read y'all all at the same time. [laughs]
Scottie: Yes. Yes. Y'all shared some insight on how y'all managed to find love in this hopeless place. And we appreciate those as well.
Sylvia: We really did. And like what's funny to me is like, I know an episode is good when my actual real life friends --.
Scottie: Child.
Sylvia: DM me about it. Like I had -- got so many calls from my girlfriends, from my family, my girlfriends and their boyfriends [laughs] who were like, Syl let's talk about it. I heard you -- I heard y'all was looking for a real nigga, was a real line I got from a friend's boyfriend who was like, let's -- let's break it down. Ad like actually, like, affirming some of the things we said. I really appreciated the men who reached out to us, even on Twitter, whether it was about, you know, how we sometimes take for granted that men have low self-esteem, too, when it comes to them shooting their shots. And like them feeling worthy of certain types of women and how some of that intimidation comes from that. All the way to men being honest about vibrator situation.
Scottie: [crosstalk] Oh yeah.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] I feel like I saw somebody tweets you, Scottie --.
Scottie: [crosstalk] No men were --.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] Didn't you -- like I appreciate you being honest. What'd he say to you? [laughs]
Scottie: [crosstalk] Be honest talking about you know, sometimes you gotta use that as the assist. But you need that vibrator to, you know, get the job done. And you do. So that and also shout out to the -- I just want a shout out to the snitches too. [laughs] The snitches that sent this episode to my exes, I see y'all.
Sylvia: [gasps].
Scottie: Oh, yes honey, it happened. I see y'all. I know who sent it. [laughter] I got numbers on your heads. Please don't go outside. It's all I'm saying.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] Wait!
Scottie: [crosstalk] Something's wrong with y'all.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] Wait. Who sent --
Scottie: [crosstalk] Of course -- Yes cus as soon as you --.
Sylvia: Your exes hit you up about this?
Scottie: [crosstalk] Of course my exes hit me about this.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] What'd they say? I mean, what can you tell us that they said? Cus I'm sure there's a lot of redacted points. [laughs]
Scottie: Oh, no. They were just trying to figure out, like if they weren't even in the conversation. Who was who. Who was the clown ass nigga? That kind of thing. They were trying to figure out, you know, who was actually in it.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] Oooh, they wanted to know what role they were. One of the friends who like, you know, ultimately, like, dated somebody else kind of a thing -- me and him actually had a conversation about this episode. Cus we're friends, like we're still cool. And it was really interesting to like, even hear his perspective about, like, how it is so much deeper than, like, a lot of the things we even think. I mean, I still can't even count the amount of times I got that, like, y'all are quoting me like I'm Bell Hooks out here with this prefer peace over chaos.
Scottie: [laughs] That was a fucking quote girl!
Sylvia: [crosstalk] But I was like damn! But I -- you know what's funny? When people quote us this show and I be like, damn! I did say that, huh? [laughs].
Scottie: Right.
Sylvia: Let me write that shit down for myself. [laughs]
Scottie: Cus soon nigga, you going to see your own quote as a Twitter quote that won't give you any -- an Instagram quote, on Facebook. It'll be everywhere else. Tumblr. They won't give you any --.
Sylvia: [laughs] Credit.
Scottie: Credit.
Sylvia: Erasure. Just Black girl erasure all over again.
Scottie: Actually they're gonna take your quote and put it over like Jada or something or Will Smith, like they -- what they usually do.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] [laughs] It's gonna be a Rumi --
Scottie: [crosstalk] Put it in some celebrity's name.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] What's that guys name? Rumi?
Scottie: Right. Rumi. Banksy said it.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] [laughs] Banksy said it --.
Scottie: [crosstalk] Somebody said it.
Sylvia: Tell them it was me. Tell them it was me, y'all. Don't let it happen.
Scottie: [crosstalk] Right, right.
Sylvia: But I -- yeah. So I'm glad that we are all learning as a collective unit to prefer our own peace over other people's chaos. I love that as a unit we are learning to, you know, try to create the homes for ourselves that we felt like we couldn't come home to. That was another one. I know a lot of you guys talked about how you were right there with Scottie about not learning to love with two feet in but only one foot in the door -- one toe when the door sometimes.
Scottie: And another big one was about me seeing myself as a single parent.
Sylvia: Yes.
Scottie: And always visioning myself as that. Never thinking about, you know, co parenting or even like a full family, like a marriage. You know what I'm saying. A couple having a kid and taking care of it. Like I've never even thought about that. So for so many women to reach out to me publicly and privately, I appreciate that so much. I appreciate the support. Yeah. Thank you for seeing me. And thank you for seeing us. I appreciate that.
Sylvia: And feeling seen by us. I think it makes us feel like, okay, being -- cus being vulnerable is not easy, y'all. It is not easy talking about, you know, abandonment issues and all that shit. Like I'm not used to that, like I said, I'm a journalist trained -- by training. So like I am used to being the interviewer and not the subject. So you guys really made us feel like it was worth it to bare our souls in that way because it made you all feel -- help you all heal. And that means the world to us. That's honestly what we -- they ask us who we -- what we do or who we do it for? It's this. It's that. So.
Scottie: [crosstalk] That's the reason. And that's the reason.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] Thank you.
Scottie: That's the reason why we do what we do.
Sylvia: For sure. And we will -- all the men who have submitted themselves as options [laughs] --.
Scottie: We will be interviewing before. We -- we should do that. We should do some interviews to make sure we get the right person.
Sylvia: Some pre-reqs.
Scottie: Because some of y'all niggas not ready for this hot seat. I'm gonna be real. [laughter] Y'all talking cute on Twitter and on Sylvia's text. Mind you, none of my friends text me like, nigga, they knew. They said, nah. I'm good, bro.
Sylvia: [laughs] Bro, I got a text, I got voice notes. I got calls. I got Facetimes. all that first day. I was like, damn. Damn y'all. But we're going to give the men a chance to say their piece. We'll figure out a time to do a part two. We just got to find a few good men and y'all know how long that can take.
Scottie: [crosstalk] The right -- the right one. The right one. Facts.
Sylvia: So until then, let's move on to our check in for this week. Scottie, how are you? How are you doing?
Scottie: [crosstalk] Ah, Sylvia, Sylvia.
Sylvia: Summer -- we are like halfway through the summer. We are still in the house, but things are slowly starting to open back up. I don't know about you, but I feel like I'm having a hard time knowing, like everybody is like on phase four and five and shit. And that's dumb. I'm like on phase one and a half. Like, okay, let me step out my apartment but what are the safe ways to do that?
Scottie: I'm on phase -- nigga, I don't know what to do because [laughter] phase -- because what I see on Instagram is that niggas are outside.
Sylvia: They are way outside.
Scottie: So like when I talk to other people, like privately on the phone or whatever, it's different. Niggas are like I've been inside, I've been this. So I'm like, I don't know what I'm supposed to do. I don't know what's safe anymore. I saw that you was out here, you know, in the park. I saw Sylvia in the park.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] I did. I finally stepped 5 blocks away.
Scottie: [crosstalk] Drinking wine blocks away. Was that wine? Was that a wine bottle?
Sylvia: I was drinking a lot of things this weekend. [laughs]. Not gonna hose you.
Scottie: Okay.
Sylvia: So I'm like, which story did you see? I was drinking champagne.
Scottie: [crosstalk] Booze and champ --
Sylvia: [crosstalk] I was drinking -- my cousins just me wine and a can for the first time. I'm actually with that movement.
Scottie: Really?
Sylvia: The liquors have had it good with the portable alcohol. Like, they sell wine in cans now, like it's beer, but it's wine. It was really good.
Scottie: [crosstalk] Okay. I'm gonna try that.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] So yeah, this weekend -- because it was my last weekend in Brooklyn. So like I was just trying to say goodbye to a few select people in the safest way possible. You know, so I had some friends doing stoop visits because I'm still not letting anybody in my house. No shade. I'm just trying to stay alive. [laughs]
Scottie: And mind you, it's not stoop visits because some of them don't even get to the stoop. They've been standing--.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] Standing at the gate. [laughs]
Scottie: [crosstalk] On the sidewalk while she stands on the stoop. By the way. It's not no stoop visits.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] That did happen. They did -- there was that. Or, you know, there's a park nearby, a small park. Not like Central Park or Prospect Park, because even those got too many people in there for me. I be looking for smaller neighborhood parks in Brooklyn. And like, you know, I had a picnic where my cousins had their blanket six feet away. I had my blanket six feet away and we talked. And then one of my homeboys came to see me. I have another -- like some other people coming. Like, you know, but I'm trying to do a one on one. Because that's like, to me, when it looks the most unsafe, where it's like, when you get too many people, it's hard. Y'all lying when y'all, like, yeah, we're being safe. Y'all have your mask on for that one photo and then that's it.
Scottie: Right.
Sylvia: Like, you don't have your mask on the whole time. People want to hug you. People wanna shake your hand. It's just, it's just so many things. So I just feel like my paranoia and just my mental anxiety and safe mind is like I just need a controlled situation where it's me, one other person. If that means I have to, you know, just hold court on my stoop while one on one comes by to say hello. Then that's, that's what I'm gonna do. But that's the furthest I've gotten because y'all, I have still not gone to get anything done from my hair, to my nails, to my toes. To all the other stuff y'all doing. I haven't gotten on a subway. I haven't gotten in an Uber or Lyft. Nothing. But you did go venture out and get something done recently, so.
Scottie: [crosstalk] Oh, girl, I went and got a wax.
Sylvia: What made you feel safe about that?
Scottie: I wanted to go get a wax. I couldn't do it no more y'all. I could not. [laughter] There's noth -- this razor to the vagina action is just not my favorite. I can't do it anymore. I felt like you know -- and then when I stopped doing it I felt like, like I was like Foxy Brown or something. I couldn't -- I couldn't put it all in the panty. Like it's just --.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] Wait! [laughs]
Scottie: Too much. It just is too much. There was not a panty that could cover the whole thing, bitch. I had to wear a boy short. The boy short was the answer.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] In your little skimpy ass panties.
Scottie: Right. All my skimpy ass, ho ass panties could not keep it in check. So I was like, you know what? I got to take the risk, guys.So I got a wax.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] That was funny to me. [laughs] Sorry, that was funny to me.
Scottie: [crosstalk] Had to do it. I had to do it.
Sylvia: I'm not -- you, your hair grows more than my -- abundantly all over. So I'm not used to like what that looks like on the body hair. I think that maybe TMI. But my body hair thankfully grows very slowly. So that hasn't been -- that's one of the few things I don't have to worry about.
Scottie: [crosstalk] Child. No, my hair grows.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] But I feel like it's been so long since I got a wax, I don't even remember what it feels like.
Scottie: I almost knocked this bitch out. You hear me? [laughter] I almost put hands on her. Because I had to tell her, too, I said, hey, she said, when's the last time you shaved? I said about a month and a half. So which means my hair follicles is doing the heel toe and everything, my hair is literally everywhere. They're growing from different parts. [laughter] Everything is just uneven right now. Nothing is balanced. So I needed her to handle me with grace and care. That bitch did the opposite. Like I laid on that table and balled up my fist. She said, You alright? I said, I don't know. Do you want to see the hands? Do you want hands and feet?
Sylvia: [crosstalk] [laughs] One of -- one of us ain't gonna make it through this wax.
Scottie: [crosstalk] Facts.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] I don't know who it's gonna be.
Scottie: You've gotta to do the butterfly. I've been clamping her -- I almost clamped her hands with my knees. I said, what do you do -- It hurt so bad. And I can't believe I let it get that far. You know, I'm all for normalizing the fro. Normalizing the hair.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] Yo. I'm not doing this with you bruh. I'm done -- [laughter].
Scottie: I don't got it bruh. I don't have it in my heart. Like it -- whew! Shit. I almost stopped her in the mid -- Have you seen 40-Year-Old Virgin?
Sylvia: Yes. When Steve Carell --.
Scottie: [crosstalk] When Steve Carell does --.
Sylvia: Yes.
Scottie: When he stops in the middle. He's like, you know what? That's enough. [laughter] I'm good. And he was bleeding on his nipple. I was dying.
Sylvia: That's kinda how I feel like you -- that's how I feel like I felt my very first wax. And I feel like it's gon -- It's been so long that that's how it's gonna feel again, so I don't know. This is one of the reasons why, I will say, this is one pro to being single during the quarantine. Ain't nobody seeing me anyway in that way. So I don't really got to worry about keeping it trim.
Scottie: [crosstalk] Right. And it's not -- but. But you know what -- it's not even a him thing. He don't care as long --.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] They usually don't.
Scottie: As we've got the hole, it's there. But if -- [laughter] if the hole is there, he's there. Every single -- [laughs] It doesn't matter. It's about me and what I'm comfortable with. And I'm just not comfortable with that. Me. You know, my hair just prickly, it's just too much. But I felt like I was safe -- again. I don't know what phase I'm in right now, but I just, I'm trying to do and be this best I can be. [laughs] Be as safe as I can be.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] Be as -- [laughs] as I can be.
Scottie: Because right now I'm going through a stage too of like, what the fuck is going on? And I'm still in what the fuck is going on? I'm still trying to figure out where my job is, what my job will be. And also like I want to get out this house. It's summertime.
Sylvia: You finally are ready -- you're finally stir crazy.
Scottie: Yeah.
Sylvia: Cus I feel like me and you have done a good job being okay in the house.
Scottie: Right.
Sylvia: Like we've been chilling.
Scottie: I feel like we've been doing a great job. And then like now I'm realizing that it's almost the end of summer. You know?
Sylvia: It's like the middle. But yeah.
Scottie: [crosstalk] Shit it's not -- be the end!
Sylvia: [crosstalk] September!
Scottie: [crosstalk] I like to think of it -- September ain't no, fucking -- that's that's damn near --.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] Labor Day weekend.
Scottie: In the middle of fall. You wearing leather jackets in September.
Sylvia: Okay. All right. [laughs]
Scottie: You know, I just, I had so many plans. And I know we say that every episode.
Sylvia: I had plans. You -- we should have like a sound button that's us being like, I have plans. You have plans.
Scottie: [crosstalk] [singing] I have plans, you have plans.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] [singing] We have plans.
Scottie: So many plans. And I'm just getting antsy. I'm getting antsy. And --.
Sylvia: Yeah.
Scottie: The more antsy I get, the more frustrated I get. And I don't like feeling frustrated. That's when I can't think clearly. So.
Sylvia: Yeah.
Scottie: It's been messing me up a little bit. But yeah. I think that wax, you know --.
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Sylvia: [crosstalk] Brought you back for --
Scottie: [crosstalk] Put me back in my place for a little bit.
Sylvia: [laughs] Your back home for a while, resting up.
Scottie: Right.
Sylvia: [laughs] Well good to know. Good to know. Good to know.
Scottie: Yes. Good to know.
Sylvia: You know, I really did enjoy those stoop visits, even from the people who stood on the sidewalk while we had them. Because it just felt really nice to be poured into by loved ones, by Black women, by my tribe. And that's a feeling that I feel like so many of us are missing during this quarantine and months of isolation. And I also felt that way during our interview with Nia Long for this episode because it really did feel like a homegirl, you know, just dropping wisdom on us and making us feel like she was pouring into us and like telling, you know -- building us up, but also like putting us up on game all at the same time.
Scottie: Yes. Nia Long definitely dropped some gems on us that y'all are definitely going to appreciate. And I'm actually gonna be changing my Twitter name to one of those gems. So you gotta listen out because you gotta know which one, it was a bitch.
Sylvia: Yeah, definitely added it to my Twitter bio. [laughs].
Scottie: Fact.
Sylvia: In some way or form.
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Sylvia: So we are here with the -- I feel like it's the, like the Nia Long. Like what -- been -- you know who -- you know who she is! Like we know who she is and we're honored for her to be here today to talk to us about her new Netflix movie, Fatal Affair. So let's get right into the girl talk. Let's get right into it. Go ahead, Scottie. Take it away.
Scottie: Well, first! Nia Long, hello! [laughter]
Nia Long: Hi.
Scottie: First of all, yes. So we're -- It's a pleasure to even be here with you because, I mean, just look at the material. If I'm just looking at you right now, I just -- you're the icon for me. You know, so --.
Nia Long: Awww.
Scottie: You know, I love you.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] For us.
Scottie: [crosstalk] But -- for us. But talk to us first about a Fatal Affair. What about this character were you most intrigued by?
Nia Long: Well, I realized that I had done just about every genre in -- my body of work, and I'd never done a thriller. And I was like, oh, this is like -- this will just be pure entertainment. I don't have to do any deep, dark study into a character. It's just, be in the moment, act afraid. And I -- I've never had to be terrified in a, in a scene. And when I think about my body of work, I've never had to play into that. In a way where it felt believable.
Scottie: Right.
Nia Long: But the main thing was that the script landed in my lap and I read it and I thought, okay, there are a couple of things I would change and,and add to the story. And I decided, well, if I'm going to be a part of this, I'm going to ask for producer's credit. And that's what I did. So they said, yes. I became a producer. We changed the script from an all white script to an African-American cast. I called my friend Omar Epps. I said, Omar, you have to say yes and do this movie with me. And we are going to, you know, give our loyal audience from the 90s something to be excited about and also inspire the new generation of of of young people who are, you know, out there in the world figuring out who they are and where their voice lies in this, in this pandemic. And in this fight for social justice. And so -- there were a lot of -- it wasn't just about the movie and the job. It was about here's my first opportunity to be a producer. And I did it in a way where it wasn't just a vanity credit, but I actually worked on the script. I helped with the -- I mean, pretty much everything. I really got a taste of what it means to produce a film.
Scottie: What is so important about making sure that actors fight for that producing credit? Why is it important to have that?
Nia Long: Many reasons. But I would say the first thing that a producer's credit affords you is the ability to have your opinion respected. And you're not going to win every battle. But oftentimes actors, especially Black actors, come in with a set of ideas, oftentimes to a set that is a predominantly white set. And there's just certain cultural things that white people may not understand in the process. So we come in saying, well, this doesn't work and here's why.
Scottie: Right.
Nia Long: The credit is also about the longevity of one's career. And I've been doing this a really long time, but I still have to work my ass off. I still have to ask for what I want. I still have to stay -- say no and stand in my no and a very strong way. I still have to remind people that work with me and for me, my value. And I have to say I'm not taking scraps because I've never taken scraps. And I won't start taking scraps as I continue to grow and mature and age in this business that is a, you know, a sexist industry. And so it gets harder. It doesn't get easier. But I'm not -- my job is to focus on me. I can't worry about what the world tells me about turning 50. And what that means for my career. I can't think about that. I have -- my job is to change that narrative for us as women. And especially for us as Black women. So if I can be a part of that change to catapult my career in a way that's different from what we've seen in the past, then that's going to help the next generation of women behind me. And I'm not, I'm just stubborn and I'm just like, if you ain't with me, then you're against me. And then if you're against me, then please just move out of the way.
Scottie: Move out my way, please.
Sylvia: It reminds me, one of my favorite quotes. Well-behaved women seldom make history. So be -- you know, I -- be stubborn. Stand up for your -- I love that.
Nia Long: And when I started in this business, you were expected to be well behaved. And so, you know, people would say, oh, she's difficult. Oh, she has too many opinions. Oh, she is, you know, too particular in the hair and makeup trailer. Oh, she doesn't, you know, she's -- but the one thing you can never say about me is that I'm not kind. And to me, kindness is a reflection of what -- who you really are. The rest of the fluff is managing the things that don't service your life.
Sylvia: Right. That's real. And that's that. And if you were a man, it would be a different narrative. But that's a whole different topic, so.
Scottie: Right.
Sylvia: But we hear you. And honestly, I think there's a lot of women who, especially as right now, we need to hear that and that reminding of like you have to be your own, like just the person to fight for your right. Yeah.
Nia Long: Yes. You know, we -- I've been on and, you know, there are -- there are beautiful, strong women in this industry who do stand up and who do stand up for themselves and have a voice and who represent us well. And I'm not going to not do that just because I'm afraid of the consequences. Because if I keep doing it, the idea that I can be a bedrock for change, then that's what I'm -- I'd rather do that than worry about the negativity and the fallout. I'd rather have a little fall out and create change and progress than to do the other thing.
Scottie: It could be very terrifying, though. You know, as somebody who has the biggest mouth, which is me, [laughter] will speak out without, you know, thinking about it because I want people -- I just don't like the silencing of Black women. I don't like any woman feeling like they need to be silenced -- silent -- over any issue, anything that they went through, any experience. So like I decide to do that. But with that comes the consequences with being called a bitch, with being called, you know, difficult, with being, you know, losing opportunities and tons of things like that. And I know a lot of women that come to me and say, I don't want to lose this opportunity. I don't want you known, men to not want to work with me because unfortunately, there are still big heads in these offices. You know what I'm saying? So I think sometimes it could be very, very terrifying for people. And I like to talk to people about that, too.
Nia Long: Listen, I understand that and I relate to that in a huge, big way. And I think a lot of times our tendency to speak out and speak up is be -- it comes from a place of frustration because of our experiences. And that frustration turns into anger. That anger comes from basically our feelings being hurt. Right. So what I try to do is look at every situation as this: what do I want to get out of this? What do I need to get out of this moment? Is this moment the moment that I'm going to speak up? Or is this the moment where I'm going to take notes? So we just have to get to -- And I have, trust me. I have cussed out so many people and told them, if you don't get out of my face and no, I'm not doing that and no, I'm not wearing that. And can you please fix my light? And I'm sorry this script doesn't make any sense. And P.A., if you knock on my door for the tenth time, I'm never gonna open the door again.
Sylvia: And, and that's that. And I think also part of that, what you're talking about is confidence, too. Because you've had you, you talk a lot about having discernment over the kinds of roles you say yes to and what you say no to.
Nia Long: Yep.
Sylvia: And, you know, usually Black roles -- we're made to believe, especially Black women -- that we take what we can get. And we're just lucky to be here. So like I also, while we're on the topic, want to ask you, where did you find the confidence to assert yourself and be your own advocate? At what point in your career did you feel like you really were like, you know what? This is where it's at for me now.
Nia Long: I received so much love at the beginning of my career. And what people don't understand is my desire to be in this business was more about surviving to create generational stability and wealth for my family. It wasn't about, I want to be a star. I watched my mother, who had two master degrees, unable to get a job. And we lived in south central L.A. after Brooklyn and after Iowa. And I watched, you know, her struggle as a single mother. And I was just like, there's gotta be more to life than this. And I had a talent. And I use that talent strictly for to get out of south central L.A., really. And then I fell in love with what, what I -- what I did and what I do. And so now it's like, oh wait, God really used me to open up doors and to kick down doors and to be a voice for us and to have, you know, a brown skinned woman and a woman in front of the camera when there was only a handful of us working. And then I had to embrace that. And then the career started to grow. And then I had to grow in front of the public eye and I wasn't really allowed to learn certain lessons behind closed doors. And I just always had a very unrealistic idea -- and maybe I shouldn't use the word unrealistic. Here's what I'll say. My idea of what I deserved based on the work and my commitment was very unrealistic for the times that I, that I was working in or the conditions in which I was working under. Now that I'm a woman and now that the world has changed and now that we have women like you out there in the world supporting us and talking about it and being fearless, my work is not in vain. Because I was you during a time when I couldn't get on the radio and talk about what you're talking about. So if, if what I was criticized for and if what I was -- in many situations, you know, like you said, missed opportunities -- I don't know if there were missed opportunities or blessings. Right?
Scottie: That's it.
Sylvia: That part.
Nia Long: But if whatever I went through is -- has given you guys the ability to do what you're doing? Then I'll take the hit for you. I'll take it for y'all. Because that's what we do. That's what we do. And it doesn't has -- to have to necessarily be something that you and I talk about. That's God. That's the alignment of pushing things forward. And that's the alignment of survival. That's the sisterhood of Black women. And if we just pay attention to it, we end up actually learning so much more about why certain things happen to us and what our responsibility is now.
Scottie: When do you think that started for you, where you started to grow your faith? If I water it, I treat it well, it will get to where you are right now? Because I know there's a lot of people like, how do you reach this level of faith?
Nia Long: Oh, you gotta -- you gotta be broken.
Scottie: Right.
Nia Long: There are times in life I felt super duper lonely and super duper like, nobody understands who I am and nobody -- people think I'm, you know, one thing when I'm really not. I'm so far from that. I'm actually quite the opposite. I've had to learn how to express myself in a way where it wasn't emotional. I mean, we can -- we're naturally emotion. I'm an artist. We're, you know, we are emotional because our life has been emotional. How can we not be emotional beings? Right. Shit is fucked up right now.
Scottie: Yes, shit is crazy. Shit is crazy.
Nia Long: I mean like --.
Sylvia: Like, right now. [laughs]
Scottie: Like right now. The world's on fire. What the fuck is going on?
Nia Long: What's going on? Those are times that you got to get quiet. And when you, just when you feel like you're about to give up and you're just like, you know what, I'm done. I'm going to stop acting. I'm gonna go be a school teacher. I'm the study to be a therapist. I'm going to go to Jamaica and live in a little fricken, you know, house on the -- that's my dream by the way.
Scottie: Okay.
Sylvia: I love it. I love the escape plan.
Scottie: [crosstalk] I love going to Jamaica. That's first.
Sylvia: A plan B.
Nia Long: That's when, you know, big change is coming. And I tell you, be specific about what you ask the universe for because when you are really ready for it, it's going to come. So make sure what you're asking for is what you really want.
Scottie: And be specific.
Nia Long: But I get -- And be specific. Don't say, oh, my God, I want to man. You need to say you want someone this height. You want him to have this type of sense of humor. You want his penis to be like this.
Sylvia: [laughs] Scottie, don't hurt yourself.
Nia Long: Very specific about that because you can have the full package and then it's like, whew!
Scottie: No!
Sylvia: I missed! I knew I forgot something. Damn! [laughs]
Nia Long: I knew I forgot something.
Scottie: Dick gotta be bomb. Sorry.
Sylvia: Listen --.
Nia Long: Hey man. When times get rought--.
Scottie: Hello --.
Nia Long: I need to get back to that and know that everything is God's.
Sylvia: That's a foundation. A rock. It's a -- [laughs].
Scottie: That's it! That's it.
Sylvia: To bring it back to the movie, cus I know, like you said, everybody in the room is like, what's happening? I, I love that you mentioned that you, you were like, I want to bring Omar Epps onto this because he -- you had, in my opinion, the baddest legacy of -- like by baddest, I mean the best of like on screen love interests. Like when you look at the lit, like the material is there. I'm like, he's fine. He's been opposite Nia Long. And it's just been a great thing to see. So what made you want Omar specifically? And what was it like reuniting with him like 20 years after In too Deep? I feel like even -- yeah.
Nia Long: Yeah. Omar has a very -- his eyes are like very piercing and they're very mysterious. And I feel like he's always played the good guy. And I think every actor, I -- that's you know, I've never gotten to play that like crazy lady character. I cannot wait to play that.
Scottie: Ooh, do it. Do it. [laughter]
Nia Long: [crosstalk] Wanna play because that is just like, ooh! Because, you know, I got some thangs to get off my chest.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] This could be therapy -- [laughs].
Nia Long: Very good to get it off that way.
Nia Long: But I just thought that he he could do it. I wanted to, you know, give my girls, my fans from the 90s and the women who have supported and lifted me up and who have grown up with me, I wanted to give them something to, you know, be excited about the see probably their, you know, young girl crush, Omar Epps starring opposite, maybe their their girlfriend in their head. I don't know. I hope to be that for some of us. And.
Sylvia: You know, and you know damn well. [laughs]
Scottie: [crosstalk] Please. Talking about, I hope.
Nia Long: [crosstalk] [inaudible] And there's a lot of other folks out there who, you know -- I don't claim to --
Sylvia: [crosstalk] Yeah. But there's a lot of Nia Long stands.
Scottie: [crosstalk] Yeah. Nia, please.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] I can, I can sit here and count the rap songs that mentioned wanting Nia Long. [laughs]
Scottie: Yeah. Mad songs, too. Rap songs.
Nia Long: Oh gosh.
Sylvia: Speaking of exciting your longtime fans. We can't go any further without talking about one of my favorite movies. A movie I talk about almost every episode --.
Scottie: Almost.
Sylvia: Of this show.
Scottie: Almost every episode. You -- no. Every single episode, you bring it up. Every single one. So --.
Sylvia: You're right.
Scottie: I'm so happy.
Sylvia: You're right. And thank you for giving me another excuse. Love Jones.
Scottie: Absolutely.
Sylvia: Love Jones. We love it. I love to see it. I love to talk about it. Are we getting a sequel or what, girl? I feel like you and Lorenz have teased it at like a couple times. Like, I love the BET Awards moment. I love -- I've seen a couple tweets where it's like, what would you guys feel like if there was a sequel? And every time my heart swells up. And I'm just like, what is it -- like a Hollywood studio issue? Do I need to write an email to somebody? Like, I just need to know.
Nia Long: [laughs] Wish it was that easy. [laughter] You know what? I don't think there's gonna be a Love Jones sequel. I really just don't think that's going to ever happen. I mean, the reason is, is there's rights issues. There's studio issues. There's budget issues. I'm not going to make a movie if you're giving me five dollars to make a movie.
Sylvia: That's real. We don't want it to be a bad one. That's real.
Nia Long: But we don't want it to be bad because some things, in my opinion, should just be left as is.
Sylvia: Yes.
Nia Long: But the -- When that film came out, opening weekend our movie only made nine million dollars. It was considered a flop. And that was like, oh, the studios were like, oh yeah, no. Black romance, nobody cares about some Black people, you know, doing poetry. It was before its time. Now spoken word is like, you know, amazing. It's so much a part of who we are. But what happened is the film became a cult classic. And that to me is more valuable than anything because it's the type of film that will be used in theater classes and in cinema classes to educate people on filmmaking. Every project, almost every project that I've been a part of has serviced something bigger than myself gratification and my goals. It's for the culture.
Sylvia: Yes.
Nia Long: The directors are -- And that's also why I don't tolerate B.S., because a lot of these folks that are making moves are an extension of what somebody else established. And what John Singleton established, I established it with him. So when I see another film maker who is blessed enough to have an opportunity because of that, but they're really not that creative and that good, I'm kind of like, you just got lucky. Or when I see producers that are being, you know, used or picked as the Black producer in Hollywood, I often sit back and say, well, what are you doing for the culture?
Scottie: Right.
Nia Long: Are you doing it to make money? Or are you creating art to push us forward?
Sylvia: Yes.
Nia Long: There is a big difference. And the careers are being used to push the culture forward are the careers that have longevity.
Sylvia: They're not building a legacy even. Yeah. Like you've built a legacy. I think that's really like, even like -- like you said, like we, this podcast. It -- to some extent an extension of that.
Scottie: Yes.
Sylvia: Because like, you know, a lot of us didn't even -- when it comes to even representation, a lot of us couldn't even see ourselves like --.
Nia Long: Uh-huh.
Sylvia: Until it was the Nias, the Sanaas, the Jadas, the Gabbys.
Nia Long: Yep.
Sylvia: You know, like you guys showed us that we can be on screen, you know. So that's real. That's real.
Scottie: Yeah.
Nia Long: And have conversations with you about our experience? Because I'm not separate from you. We're an extension of each other. We're we're we're meant to to lift each other up and inspire each other. And you're -- I'm using your platform to talk about my film. And my platform was used to create the reality that what we have to say is important and that there -- we do support each other. Contrary to what they try to say about us.
Sylvia: Right.
Scottie: Sylvia, I think we should play the game. We should play the game.
Sylvia: Yes. We wanted to -- we want to spend the last five minutes -- we have a game we gonna see what your reaction to this is.
Nia Long: okay. Let's do it.
Sylvia: So, you know, as as the leading lady, you had your fair share of romantic relationships onscreen, like we mention. And so we want to play a game where we name the couple characters, some of those relations. And you tell us the first thought that comes to your mind about that fictional couple that you were a part of.
Scottie: So first, Lisa and Will, Fresh Prince.
Nia Long: Friends for life.
Scottie: Friends for life. That's cute. Go ahead, Sylvia.
Nia Long: Friends for life.
Sylvia: Okay. Malcolm and Sherry, Big Momma's House. [laughter] Exactly. Just laughter honestly cus that was --
Nia Long: Me and Martin laughed the entire -- [laughter] That was just pure -- I love Martin Lawrence so, so much. Like I think he is a comedic genius. I think what he did for the culture is amazing. But I just, pure laughter. Pure joy.
Scottie: Okay. Nina and Darius, Love Jones.
Sylvia: [singing] My favorites.
Sylvia: Kissing in the rain, kissing in the rain.
Sylvia: That perm stayed. It was, it was thorough.
Nia Long: That last scene of the movie -- that last shot of the movie was fucking everything. I don't need to see the movie. I was like that last shot. We never saw a Black man and a Black woman kissing in the rain where she got her hair wet. What? It hadn't -- it didn't -- it had never happened.
Scottie: [crosstalk] Mother fucker.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] Exa -- It was urgent that the mother a mother fucker.
Nia Long: [crosstalk] Urgent as a mother fucker
Scottie: [crosstalk] Urgent -- mother fucker. Hello. It needed to happen. Lord!
Sylvia: [laughs] I knew she -- that's how I knew she love --
Nia Long: I'm gonna get a tattoo that says, It's urgent that the mother fucker. That's how I'm gonna be my 50 -- my 50th birthday gift to myself.
Scottie: Hello. It's urgent
Nia Long: [crosstalk] It's urgent.
Scottie: It's urgent. And that's how I knew she loved him. She said, you know what? I'm a mess my hair up to have this conversation.
Scottie: Hello? [laughs]
Sylvia: Cus I have -- [laughs] Okay. Brandi and Tre, Boyz in the Hood.
Nia Long: Scared to death. First movie. Young girl, didn't know what I was doing. John Singleton was amazing. I knew we were doing something important, but I was afraid. I was like, oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. My first movie. Am I doing it right? Am I good? So, yes, I was young. I'm so young.
Scottie: What I love most about that relationship between Brandi and Tre was that it was young love. It was fresh love. You know what I'm saying? You got -- it looked like it was young love. And it was love that could actually last. Like --
Nia Long: Yeah.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] I really believed that they went to Atlanta.
Nia Long: It was hood love!
Sylvia: Yes.
Scottie: Yes. But it was the -- it was -- You said hood love or good love?
Nia Long: Yeah, hood.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] It was like --.
Scottie: [crosstalk] It was hood love -- but it was hood love, the -- the good girls of the hood of -- hood love. [laughter].
Nia Long: Yeah, for sure.
Sylvia: And like, they got out the hood. They got out the hood together, love.
Scottie: [crosstalk] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely.
Nia Long: Went to the CA -- and went to like Morehouse and Spelman and like stayed in Atlanta and had a little --.
Scottie: Shout out to the AUC. Rat rat rat rat. Alright.
Sylvia: Sorry.
Scottie: Harper and Jordan, Best Man. [laughter]
Nia Long: Ahh. That was like, I loved playing Jordan.
Scottie: I loved Jordan.
Nia Long: Because she was the boss chick. And that was like, we shot New York City and her wardrobe was good and my hair was on point. And I was feeling very -- I was going through a horrible breakup with my boyfriend at the time. Chris Webber was my boyfriend at the time and I was madly in love with him and we just couldn't figure it out. Cus we were too young and he was too rich and had too many women. And but I, I just remember going, this is gonna be a good movie.
Scottie: Yeah. I do believe that Harper and Jordan belong to be together. You know --
Sylvia: We justice for Jordaners. [laughs]
Scottie: Yeah. For real. Just --. [laughs] [crosstalk] Justice for Jordan.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] Justice for Jordan. Justin and Jordan make a way better couple, in my opinion. I don't know.
Scottie: [crosstalk] Yeah, Harper and Jordan.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] That's just mine.
Scottie: Harper and Jordan was, was the cute -- I like that couple. Just throwing that out there.
Nia Long: Yeah.
Scottie: [crosstalk] Go ahead, Sylvia.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] Just our thoughts. [laughs] Lem and Bird, Soul Food.
Scottie: My favorite.
Nia Long: Cola in the building. Cola! [laughs].
Sylvia: Cola! Yes! They called her Cola.
Nia Long: He came to the door and called it, called me Cola.
Sylvia: [laughs]. Because she's shaped like a Coca-Cola bottle.
Nia Long: Cola bottle, uh.
Scottie: Listen, that was -- What'd you think of that relationship?
Nia Long: I love -- I mean, listen. I love all my men. Mekhi Phifer is a great actor. I will tell you, though, the night where we had to shoot that the dinner scene, we had to pass around the food -- plates of food to get every single person's coverage. I was like a bad child. I was like, if you pass me this fucking chicken one more time. [laughter] Like me and Mekhi, we were having our off camera arguments because that was my first time I had ever done a dinner scene. And they're like 10 people at the table.
Scottie: Wow.
Nia Long: So you don't know where the camera is, right?
Scottie: Right.
Nia Long: And we were so new that we thought we needed to do everything off camera the exact same way, which you really don't have to cause it over your shoulder onto the other person so they don't see if you're pass -- And Mekhi kept doing the whole action. I said, Mekhi! The camera is way over there. They are not seeing you pass me these --.
Scottie: Giving his all, every shot.
Sylvia: [laughs] Every passing of the potatoes.
Nia Long: And do it -- say a thing and I was like -- [laughter].
Scottie: Last but not least. Jeff and Myra, In too Deep.
Nia Long: I liked my hair in that movie.
Sylvia: It was curly, right? It was like a curly situation?
Nia Long: It was like a twist curly, naturally. It was pretty. I liked my hair in that movie. I need to watch that film again. I don't really remember it, to be quite honest with you.
Sylvia: That's fair. I was, I was just talking about how much I liked it. That was like L.L. Cool J, peak L.L --.
Nia Long: Yeah.
Sylvia: Undercover situation, but yes.
Nia Long: Absolutely.
Sylvia: But Nia, thank you so much.
Nia Long: Oh my god, girl. You guys are so cute.
Scottie: Ooh, thank you.
Sylvia: Thank you.
Nia Long: I'm going to be listening to you more often.
Scottie: Thank you.
Nia Long: And I appreciate your time. And keep talking. Keep talking and keep knowing that even if they don't hear you, I hear you. And eventually everyone else will. We just keep standing in our truth because that energy is what catapults the culture.
Scottie: Thank you.
Sylvia: Amen.
Scottie: We're gonna definitely keep talking because, you know, Nia Long said we extensions of her anyway. So we can change our -- right.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] Can't stop -- You ain't gonna shut us up now. Sorry, God.
Scottie: [crosstalk] We are an extension of Nia Long.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] Bad news. [laughs].
Scottie: [crosstalk] I'm sorry.
Sylvia: You what?
Nia Long: I love you guys.
Scottie: Thank you, Nia. I appreciate you.
Nia Long: You're welcome. Bye you guys.
Sylvia: Bye.
Scottie: Bye.
Sylvia: I feel so inspired after that interview. All I needed was Nia Long to tell me that I'm an extension of her to feel unstoppable. I'm a bad bitch now. Y'all can't tell me no different. Truly.
Scottie: Oh, absolutely. Recognizing the way we're all connected as Black woman is so instrumental to what we work towards on a daily basis. So I'm truly grateful for that interview. I love Nia Long. I mean, as an extension of her, I just -- I can't, you know, it's me. Please talk -- Just from now on, that's me.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] It's us. Nia Long's legacy. [laughs] It's us. Nia Long's Legacy. Nice to meet you.
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Scottie: The extension, it's me.
Scottie: All right. Now is the time where we put y'all on to things we enjoy and hopes that you can enjoy it, too. Sylvia, what are you recommending this week?
Sylvia: All right, y'all I'm back with the Netflix show.
Scottie: Buh buh buh buh!
Sylvia: Shout out to the sponsor and all that [laughs] Say I Do. I have been crying.
Scottie: child.
Sylvia: I have not stopped crying since I came across this show. And I mean crying in the best kind of way. This show, it's a reality show about -- each episode a couple either redoing the wedding of their dreams or getting it for the first time. Like they all have like these emotional-ass back stories where, you know. Whether you know, relatives died or, you know, they had to, like, take people in or like, you know, just you name it. There's something that happened that got in the way. But they're just these good people. Each couple are like just these two good people who just needed a little extra help to get what they deserve for being such good people. If you like shows like Whose Wedding Was it Anyway? Or you know, all them TLC -- Say Yes to the Dress type stuff. Like --.
Scottie: I love to Say Yes to the Dress.
Sylvia: This is the show for you.
Scottie: Here's the thing, though, Sylvia. Question. Would you --
Sylvia: [laughs] I get nervous every time she does this.
Scottie: Could you release control?
Sylvia: I mean. Well, who are you talking to? I'm not the type of person --. [laughs]
Scottie: [crosstalk] No, I'm talking to Sylvia. Know what I'm saying is, could you have your husband literally do that for you? Would you be okay with your fiancee planning their wedding for the both of you? Without your input -- [laughter] just see a face. Without your input but he's doing it from, you know, this -- the romantic part of his heart. He's trying to do this for y'all.
Sylvia: He is. He is. My imagine --.
Scottie: [crosstalk] Could you do -- ?
Sylvia: [crosstalk] My imaginary fiancee is trying to do it for us. and --.
Scottie: He's trying to do it for y'all.
Sylvia: I just don't --.
Scottie: Would you still be down?
Sylvia: Here's the thing, probably not. But here's the thing. To be honest, I have a hard time imagining, even though what the perk here is, that it's a bigger budget and it's not our money. So there are things to weigh, right. Like, well, A, we would save a lot of money because Netflix would pay for it.
Scottie: Right.
Sylvia: B, I wouldn't get until 24 hours before they do what the bride's happened in the last minute when they find out that it's happening with like the dress--.
Scottie: [crosstalk] Last two days.
Sylvia: And like I know it is stressful.
Scottie: [crosstalk] Child.
Sylvia: I would be very -- it's not, it's probably not for me is the answer here in this situation. But maybe if it was the like for some of the married couples, it's their second wedding, like something happened the first time. I think if I had already done one and tried and failed, I would be okay with this. Like, you know, like in the first episode, like they're renewing their v -- like it's not their first wedding.
Scottie: [crosstalk] Nah nigga. Let me try again, because I need to get it right. I need it to be my wedding.
Sylvia: [laughs] You try -- I wouldn't be okay with it happening the first time, but maybe if it was the second time I'd be like, you might -- sure sure.
Scottie: [crosstalk] Shit. If your fiancee would have called me and said, hey, I have this plan. I said, don't do it. I would immediately be like, don't. Let me tell you something. this is the wrong idea.
Sylvia: I'm thinking about submitting us --.
Scottie: Right.
Sylvia: I'm thinking about submitting us. [laughs]
Scottie: [crosstalk] I'm thinking about submitting us, what do you think? Don't do it. That's what I'm thinking. Immediately. Don't do it.
Sylvia: That's fair.
Scottie: Abort.
Sylvia: Don't do it.
Scottie: Quickly. don't do it.
Sylvia: It's gonna be like, she watches these shows and cries all the time. So I think she will like it. Right? It's like, no.
Scottie: [crosstalk] Absolutely not.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] She likes it for those people. Not for herself. [laughs]
Scottie: She don't like it for her.
Sylvia: Those are the facts. What about you, Scottie? What you got for the people?
Scottie: What I got? Let me tell y'all something. Let me tell you what I don't have. Any more edges. Lianne Le Havas. Who told you to release an album after five years. And drag me. You don't know me. Like that's first. I'm sorry. This is not to anybody else but Lianne. Lianne, you don't know me like that. To read me like that in an album. The album, guys that I'm talking about is Lianne Le Havas. It's called Lianne Le Havas. Her pen game is insane. You know, like it is -- I appreciate the five years that she took now. I get it because I think she had time to experience. She had time to, you know, feel. And, you know, it shows. You know, the material is there. Just look at it. I am very -- please listen to it. It will read you. If you're ready to get read to, you know, some people aren't -- aren't ready. And I think I wasn't prepared for that type of reading. Until, like -- well, I wasn't prepared for it, period, but I was crying while listening to it and I was like walking the streets looking regular, like a regular person walking the streets.
Sylvia: You in the streets.
Scottie: And I heard "Paper Thin" and I had to sit down. And cry.
Sylvia: [laughs] Honestly, I bawled listening to that album. I'm like, who gave you the right? Honestly, Lianne.
Scottie: Yo.
Sylvia: Who gave you the right to read our diaries? All of them. And come out with an album from it. I'm like, did you break into my home and pull out a page of my journal when you wrote these songs?
Scottie: Right.
Sylvia: And then she has like this voice of an angel. And she's playing this beautiful guitar. And it's just like, how dare you beautifully read me. How is it like being so beautiful and shady at the same time? I don't --.
Scottie: I don't know. She rolls her, her sleeves up and gets into it. Like “Weird Fishes.”
Sylvia: “Please Don't Make Me Cry.” It's like -- it's like a challenge. Because I'm like -- you're making me cry. What you mean, please don't make you cry. I just.
Scottie: The time she put into this shows.
Sylvia: It's shows.
Scottie: And it is reflective, I think on a, lot of us, you know, it reflects. A lot of her words bounce and also observe. Observe everything that I have been feeling. So I think, it's just like, thank you. That was what I need. And I think it's for me, the album of the year. I don't need to hear no more.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] Oooh. Alread, Huh?
Scottie: I'm good. Oh, no. Already. I've -- that slapped me in my face. That slapped me in the face.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] I just feel like, I feel like Black women in music have been keeping us fed this quarantine. They really have. Because honestly, I love Kehlani's new album. I love Jhené -- just getting -- Jhené just hit it us with a deluxe.
Scottie: Yes.
Sylvia: You know, Lianne is doing this now. There is just so many, you know Beyoncé and Meg gave us stuff --.
Scottie: [crosstalk] Summer Walker.
Sylvia: Some -- Summer, gave us an EP. Like they've been keeping this fed. And I'm thankful. I'm really thankful that they have had me and my feeling this whole time.
Scottie: Teyna Taylor, I'm sorry.
Sylvia: Oh, yes. Teyana Taylor's album is actually --
Scottie: [crosstalk] It came out --.
Sylvia: [crosstalk] Really good too. Really good.
Scottie: [crosstalk] With a delivery, sis. So.
Sylvia: Yes. Lots of tracks. So Lianne is keeping the momentum. You know, she's keeping the collective foot on our necks in that way. And I'm, I'm thankful. I'm full. I'm full.
Scottie: [crosstalk] Yeah, I am more than full. And I am gracious that we have artists like her who can literally speak for us. And that's -- that album spoke for me. I don't think I need to speak anymore about how I feel. I can just give them songs to listen to, which is what I've been doing my whole life. So I appreciate that. I will always champion great music and I think you should, too. So give it a listen. Tell me what you think. And show love. Buy the album. Support her.
Sylvia: Yes.
Scottie: Yeah, so shout out to her. It makes me happy. It makes me smile. That's what made me smile this week. So I hope it does the same for you. And you will cry, ho. So get ready. Grab the tissues. I'm suing though, because I need my edges back.
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Sylvia: [laughs] All right. That's our show. Thank you all for tuning in once again to our shenanigans.
Scottie: Our show is a production of Pineapple Street Studios in partnership with Netflix and Strong Black Lead. Shout out to our team. Executive Producers are Agerenesh Ashagre and Jasmyn Lawson. Our lead Producer is Jess Jupiter. And our music is by Amanda Jones. Special thanks to Max Linsky and Jenna Weiss-Berman.
Sylvia: Make sure you share your thoughts with us on the episode using the #Okay, NowListen. Follow Strong Black Lead on the socials @StrongBlackLead and follow us too. I'm @Sylvia Obell.
Scottie: And I'm @ScottieBeam.
Sylvia: Until next time, folks. Stay blessed.
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